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I know that the EBS team is still recommending staying with the old, old version, but I got sick of being hampered by all its quirks and slowness, as well as constantly being asked about this matter, so I just upgraded to v. 12. Admittedly, I don't do approvals or other admin functions at the HR pages, but everything seems to be visible on my own pages. Does anyone have any thoughts before I share this with my users? -- Kim Geiger WKAR Radio & Television, WKAR.org East Lansing, Michigan