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Ok, I haven't worked for an IT organization at MSU for the last four years. I left myself on the NAG list, and although there have been quite a few discussions I almost stepped in on, I blew it off. Working for MSU was fun, but my life demanded a change, and like any NORMAL functioning biological organism, I followed the path that made the best sense for my survival. Too bad MSU seems hell bent on committing suicide.. Look, the days of mainframes and free speech over. Sure, they were fun and there were many days of 'flying by the seat of our pants' to meet the overwhelming needs presented to us in the IT field. I was an exciting time where every single day meant you could honestly discover something brand new that blew your socks off. However, a group of certain folks whom control what could/is the centralization of MSU's IT infrastructure are convinced that if they allow any changes that would update or centralize MSU it is going to rob them of their childhood. GET OVER IT! I currently work for a large international consulting company, and have done/am doing quite a bit of work for not only MSU but other campuses, both large and small. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM shy of MSU understands that their business is to educate students, NOT to throw around their opinions. They also recognize that in order to get students to actually WANT to attend their university they MUST present an IT solution that will make the potential students not only sign up for their university, but continue to WANT to attend. There is so much talk in these discussions about the lack of funding being the root cause of slapping a quick ugly fix on outdated technology. Want to take a guess WHY there is a lack of funding? One last word to the hippies whom when I started working for MSU told me that it was against campus policy to have a firewall, or AV solution on my email, as it would violate the freedom of data (or whatever that amazingly INANE rule is).. Microsoft is NOT run by Satan. It is NOT out to sort through YOUR email or YOUR web browsing habits. They could give a rats butt whether you searched for naked hobbits in whip cream yesterday. Why don't you do the entire campus a favor and retire to some commune somewhere. Unions were NOT created to ensure that sticks in the mud like yourselves could ruin companies by demanding your have seniority.. Sorry for the rant, but enough is ENOUGH!