Ray, Good morning. I am well aware of which version of "web client" that you are using as I was the person who installed it on the server. The "web client" is not the same as the GroupWise client. As I understand it, GroupWise 8 supports the features you are talking about. You should see these features on your desktop by the end of the year, if not before. > am merely trying to point out that it isn't all wine and roses. What solution is? It is a matter of looking at what is available, reviewing all of the features each solution possesses, and choosing the best at the time. ...John >>> Ray Hernandez <[log in to unmask]> 2/28/2008 7:11 AM >>> John, In all fairness, I don't think you read my email fully. I _am_ using the GW 7 web client. That is the latest client available to me, and as far as I can tell the latest version your dept has rolled out. While iCal support is nice, it is not CalDav. From my perspective, iCal is a file format spec and CalDav is a server protocol. GW does not seem to support CalDav, until maybe version 8 or 9. This is where I am locked into using the GW client. I can't use any other client to alter/view my GW calendar. I can use the GW web client to do so, but I prefer using something else. The argument that it is going to have X feature "in the next version" doesn't really help me today. If every user on campus started holding their breath for things to be fixed/added in the next version of any software, we'd start having a lot of people passing out at their desks. I'm not trying to knock GW at all, I think it is a great piece of software. I am merely trying to point out that it isn't all wine and roses. --Ray On Feb 27, 2008, at 5:31 PM, John Evans wrote: > Ray, > > Your assessment is not entirely fair. The older version of the > client that you are using had very limited support for iCal. The > version of GroupWise that we have on our servers (and the client on > our department's desktop) provides full iCal support. > Additionally, in the near future, you will be able to publish and > subscribe calendars (including your own personal calendars) along > with free/busy information. > > And NO, you are NOT "locked" into using the GroupWise client in > order to use your GroupWise account. Other clients will work just > fine. Our department supports only the use of the GroupWise client > because of support issues; that doesn't mean that other clients > will not work with GroupWise. > > For years, Novell has been providing products that adhere to open > standards and operate on multiple platforms. For instance, Novell > GroupWise can operate on Linux and Windows servers as well as > NetWare servers. How many other email solutions do? Novell > products should at least be considered when investigating solutions > no matter what environment(s) you manage. > > ...John > > (Scott - our Breslin server has been online for over 354 days and > the Kellogg server for a mere 218 days.) > > >>> Ray Hernandez <[log in to unmask]> 2/27/2008 4:02 PM >>> > As a Groupwise(GW) user, I think it is just OK. Groupwise doesn't > seem to support caldav. This is annoying to me because the biggest > thing I use GW for is email and calendaring. It locks me into using > the GW client. > > While the GW web client is, to me, preferable to using the desktop > client. I find it lacking in customization. If we are serious about > adhering to open standards, as I think we should, I don't see that GW > offers us much more than Outlook/Exchange. > > I don't think GW is a bad piece of software, but it could be better. > --Ray > > On Feb 27, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Scott Foreman wrote: > > > I missed this post ... I couldn't agree with Don more, GroupWise > > has been the most stable, scalable email platform I could ever want > > to administer. Run on SLES or OES2 makes it all the better. One of > > our Novell servers has been up for over 200 days, the last time we > > patched and rebooted was for the daylight savings update in October > > or November. I also heard at a conference that if you pay for SLES > > maintenance through Novell that you could install and run GroupWise > > for free but this probably works differently since we have a site > > license. The GroupWise 7.x web interface is very robust and easy to > > use, also includes calendaring. > > >