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Steve mentioned the perennial problem of getting users to select and use "good" passwords, however we might define that. One approach we've taken is to put up a web page that uses a perl script to generate random passwords that contain numerals and special characters, but are somewhat pronounceable so it's easier to remember. They aren't industrial-strength, and they aren't as easy to remember as your dog's name, but I think they strike a decent compromise between the two. If you want to have a look, see http://lib7web.lib.msu.edu/sopp.htm. I certainly can't claim that none of our users has their dog's name as their password, but at least we've provided them with an alternative. Hope this helps some. --Bill. Bill Wheeler Systems Programmer and Administrator Michigan State University Libraries E-mail: [log in to unmask] Phone: (517)432-6123 x 234