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We've been approached separately by representatives of Brightmail and McAfee. They are interested in presenting to network administrators on campus about their anti-spam solutions as well as other products. McAfee is of course familiar as a vendor of antivirus products. They're moving into departmental and enterprise-wide anti-spam tools. They have a new anti-spam appliance that you plug in upstream of your campus or corporate email feed. Brightmail supplies enterprise anti-spam tools to major ISPs and Webmail providers. I happen to be a customer of USA.net, which recently adopted Brightmail, and my spam rate fell by 90% or more, with virtually zero false positives. Would folks be interested in such presentations? What format would you suggest? Both vendors have assured us that the presentations would be technically oriented, not sales pitches. One thought would be to have both on the same day if we could arrange it, though that might lead to less frank discussions. If a live demo of products could be arranged, would that appeal? /rich