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MSUNAG May 2007

Subject:

Re: google wants msu.edu?

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Brian Martinez <[log in to unmask]>

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Brian Martinez <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 24 May 2007 20:06:52 -0400

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Victor, 

This is a dangerous topic for me to be touching... Is that an eggshell I see 
over there?  *steps carefully by it*  Needless to say, eggshells abound or 
not, this horse is not dead. 

A few members of ACNS met with Google just the other day, I don't think that 
is too big of a secret.  Google called upon many universities and colleges 
around Michigan to join them at their compound in Ann Arbor.  Google does 
have some great features, even as a systems administrator for mail.msu.edu I 
regularly use GMail and I have been using their services for over two years 
now.  Of course the price tag is very attractive like you said. 

There are many, many factors to take into consideration that everyone seems 
to not think about when they hear how great the service is and how much 
everything is going to cost in the end ($0.00 in the short run). 

I don't have all the details of what Google is putting on the plate as I was 
not at the meeting, but I did get a general run down from my boss who may 
choose to follow-up on all this later (if he is already busy typing a 
response as I'm typing this one).  Its an exciting prospect, I have to 
admit.  When he came back from the meeting and told me what he told me, I 
thought "That's it, we're going to Google." 

There is a principled approach to take when thinking about all this.  Its 
not just dollars and cents.  Its dollars and _sense_ as they say!  There 
is/has been major concern over who owns the data.  Do we potentially 
outsource only students?  Or do we potentially outsource faculty & staff 
too?  Google assures us that the user owns their own data.  We still 
maintain a very small semblance of control.  So you potentially could 
outsource everyone/everything. 

Lets go back to those principles I was starting to dig into (lots of 
sentence fragments coming up here)...  Suppose we do it.  Outsource email.  
For everyone.  It costs us nothing.  Users own their data.  The university 
saves whatever amount of $$$ by no longer funding the mail.msu.edu project 
and everything is going along smoothly.  (remember I don't have all the 
details, nor is there even a initial contract to look at)  Google makes a 
change to their policy that we don't agree with.  What do we do?  1) We're 
under contract for another X amount of years, therefore  1a) We take it to 
court to get out of the contract.  1b) We wait it out and cross our arms and 
pout the whole time until the contract expires. 

Say that either one of those two options happen.  Then what??  We just axed 
the funding for the primary email group.  Lets say a significant amount of 
time has passed and the people we had maintaining our email servers in the 
past no longer are up on the new technologies.  We somehow have to find 
money and training to get back on our feet!  We somehow have to find a way 
to migrate all of our data back!  Would Google even let us do that 
(presuming for a second that the policy change was that now Google owns the 
data and not the user)?? 

We actually had a lengthy discussion about this at lunch today with some 
other coworkers.  One fella pointed out that Dell is having to deal with 
this exact issue right now with bringing their Support Desk back from India. 
You have to somehow maintain a concurrent level of existing service while 
somehow migrating things back to your control.  It would be an incredible 
mess, and something that most people don't think about when they hear $FREE. 

Back to more principles.  What we are getting with our free service is not 
the right for Google to provide ads.  They aren't making money on ads (well 
they are, but...) what they are making money on is compiling demographic 
information.  And selling that information outright.  At least this is the 
potential.  Again, remember I'm lacking exact specifics. 

What about new students?  What about people who don't like GMail or Google?  
They'd have no choice but to accept it.  Will Google allow them to forward 
their email to Yahoo!?  Who knows.  What if someone is choosing between our 
school and another school, and they find out that we only provide GMail as 
an option for email, and that eats them up so much inside they choose to go 
to another school? 

To sum up this long email, the possibility exists that email will be 
outsourced.  It might not be to Google.  It could be to anyone!  Even UMich! 
(HA!  Think about that one, especially if UMich outsourced email ;)  This 
horse is very much alive, and I think we are going to spend a good chunk of 
this summer trying to figure it out. 

As someone who works for the mail team, I encourage more discussion on this 
topic!   Because as it stands what I do for a living is on the line (I'd 
still have a job elsewhere around the dept. (I'm told) so no worries there). 
We definitely need more insight into what our customers think, and since the 
majority of you on this list are our technical customers who have an insider 
view of policy and principles around here, I'm sure we will find this to be 
quite an engaging topic. 

Cheers.
./brm 

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