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Brian you raised a great point. There was an article on the November 2011 issue of "The Atlantic" magazine named "Hacked" (pg 100) which describes the perils of housing data on the cloud. It's not all bad but there are serious issues of responsibility, access and support <there isn't a Google phone number that I know someone can call for support> that need to be well thought out before making the leap. It's good to note that there are about 1 million Google accounts that are hacked yearly. Not necessarily Google's fault but how do one recover from that if you happen to be one of the "lucky" ones? Until recently, there was no way to retrieve data that was deleted from any Google Applications. If that could change, then perhaps other fears could be alleviated as well in due time after some headaches. At the end of the day, it's good to recognize that there are no free lunches and that in a digital world "free" should not be measured in dollars & sense alone. Firm. From: Hoort, Brian [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:38 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [MSUNAG] University of Michigan is going Google The point is that the contracts have that pesky "Google may change the terms of this agreement at any time" clause which makes any discussion of their policies or procedures moot. They can do whatever they want at any time. The contract means nothing so long as that clause stands. Best, Brian Hoort | 517-355-3776 ANR Technology Services, MSU From: Rytlewski, Jamie [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:02 AM To: Hoort, Brian; [log in to unmask] Subject: RE: [MSUNAG] University of Michigan is going Google Brian, Your example is incorrect. We use Google Apps for their groups and since other schools have "Gone Google", we've had a few issues with conflicting accounts and other things. We opened up a ticket with Google for the problems and they said they had no control over the other school's accounts and could not make changes. This was the response: "Unfortunately I cannot proceed to touch any domain if is not the admin itself to tell me explicitly to do it. I hope you can understand this policy as this is for protecting our customers, I guess you would not be comfortable if someone open a case to us asking for deleting a user in your domain." Jamie From: Hoort, Brian [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:30 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [MSUNAG] University of Michigan is going Google I was just at an ADUC meeting in which Tom Davis spoke on this very issue a few days ago. It was fascinating how strongly the non-IT staff insisted that nothing be changed regarding MSU's email offerings. "Absolutely no change" was the mandate. I feel for ATS. They've got half the population demanding better services, and the other half insisting on zero change. The breadth of Google's offerings is very compelling, and growing all the time. MSU will not be able to keep pace with those offerings. Yet, we have no control over the service. Google may change anything at any time without consulting us. Example: A faculty's account password is compromised. The account is required for that faculty to access email, shared project documents, and to attend meetings. Spammers use the account to distribute thousands of spam. Google rightly disables the account. What process does this faculty have to recover the account? As time goes on the chasm between service offerings will increase. I see no solution at this point, but the pressure will continue to increase with time. Brian Hoort | 517-355-3776 ANR Technology Services, MSU From: l duynslager [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:09 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [MSUNAG] University of Michigan is going Google Putting everything in the cloud sounds great. If you think that all expenses, responsibilities and risk are passed on to the provider. Some departments have grants from foundations, corporations, federal and state government to do critical security and defense related research and contract work. I don't think that all the risks and responsibilities to our customers and stakeholders are transferred to the cloud provider and MSU is still liable in the case of an unauthorized disclosure of information. Unless those grantors will approve of storing of their sensitive data with a cloud based provider beforehand. Makes you wonder how UM handled that? Lee Duynslager From: "Pilkenton, Alan" <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: "Pilkenton, Alan" <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 12:03:33 +0000 To: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [MSUNAG] University of Michigan is going Google Yes it is true, the people in blue are going to be Googling. The entire U of M tech restructuring plan can be found here: http://nextgen.umich.edu/projects/#umnet <http://nextgen.umich.edu/projects/#umnet> . Should we not be thinking along these lines as well? Alan | Training Program Developer | ANR Technology Services | 517-355-3776 ________________________________ From: Troy D Murray [[log in to unmask]] Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 5:20 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [MSUNAG] University of Michigan is going Google Looks like our "friends" down the road have decided to "Go Google". I have to admit that the idea of a unified messaging platform is appealing rather then the three I use here now. http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/11/go-blue-go-google.html Troy Murray Michigan State University College of Medicine B136D Life Science E: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> P: 517-353-9576 F: 517-355-7254 RedHat 5 Certified Technician RedHat 5 Certified Systems Administrator HL7 V2.6/2.5 Certified Control Specialist