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Dave, glad to hear the content will not be out of sync.

When we launched the 2007 version of www.msu.edu I was surprised and happy to see how well it worked on my Blackberry with zero browser detection.

Today, in 2011, www.msu.edu doesn't work quite as well on my iPhone using Safari, but it still works without browser detection.

My concern is that if you assume a device's characteristics based on what the server sees as the mode of connection, you may be wrong.  Consider for instance tethered devices, or even several devices sharing a mobile phone's local Wi-Fi access point.

Dave, I know you have a passion for supporting mobile devices separately, but is there a problem you're trying to solve?  Are customers demanding mobile support for www.msu.edu that is separate from how the site is normally treated?

/rich

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Dave Mulder <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
We're using a web services model for feeding data to m.msu.edu so that content is never out of sync.

Our mobile redirection will probably look like what you're describing. It won't be an automatic event (for now). And users who stumble to the mobile site can get back to the full site if they wish.




On Aug 4, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Richard Wiggins wrote:

> Ever since the Internet Explorer vs. Netscape browser wars, I've always considered browser detection and redirection evil.  I believe Web sites should be coded to standards, not to devices or browsers.  I spent several months using an iPad as my only computer, and often found myself redirected to sites designed for the iPhone, not the iPad.  So I got a tiny view on a large screen.
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> We finally made a breakthrough with the previous design of www.msu.edu, where we built for standards.  It is sad to learn that now the server is going to decide how you'll view the site.
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> It used to be fashionable to offer text-only views of a Web site.  Advocates for people with disabilities observed that text-only sites inevitably fall out of sync with the "real" site.  Assuming CSS and maybe CMS, maybe this isn't an issue in this case.  But why not just code one site with multiple views, and users get to choose which?
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> If you insist on browser detection, an alternative would be to ask the user:  "You appear to be using a mobile device.  Would you like to visit the mobile version of www.msu.edu?"  If you insist on a non-prompted redirect, then please at least offer an obvious link back to the real site.  You may want to put me in a "mobile" box, but you have no clue what my actual browser is or what it's capable of.
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> /rich
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