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Oh, yeah, and by the way - info about the service status lists and how to subscribe are available as techbase article 7529; URL is: http://techbase.msu.edu/article.asp?id=7529&service=techbase This techbase article is linked to from the service status page (http://servicestatus.msu.edu/status_summary.php), which in turn is linked to from the ATS helpdesk page at http://help.msu.edu/index.php . The network announcements list is documented on Network Management Services' "Network Resources and Announcements", accessible from the Network Management Services home page at http://network.msu.edu/home.html People really do try to put the info out there. It's just that it's such a big pot of soup, with so many cooks' spoons stirring it... Regards, John Fishbeck Physical Plant Computer Systems & Networking Group