At 12:48 PM 8/27/2010, STeve Andre' wrote:
I attended the meeting with Steve Devine et al last week, and I'm
pretty convinced that there wasn't data munging going on.  If your
user in question has been around since the Twig days, it makes
some sense that they could have added it then, (accident or not)
and then completely forgotten about it.

The other possibility, which I think is distinctly less likely of
happening, is that something back in the Twig era got messed
up and things got corrupted then.  That would be consistent
with the idea that the mail prefs transfer was successfull in terms
of the moving of data, but moved bad stuff.

But I don't believe that for two  reasons: one, when things get
corrupted, they get messy.  If a add/block entry looked something
like  JohnX^2132aaaaaaa   I'd say there was a pointer problem.
Yes, the most pernicious problems are the ones that have perfectly
formed bad data, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.  The
second reason is that it was just toooo easy to block someone,
thinking that they were being deleted.

The addresses that were on some of these block lists were addresses that nobody here would ever put on a block list.   Maybe on an accept list, but not on a block list.

John Gorentz




I still think the lists should be zapped but thats just me.

On Friday 27 August 2010 12:19:03 John Gorentz wrote:
> Today I had users report to me that even though they had never created a
> block list in the past, one has been spontaneously generated for them. 
> This didn't happen to me, and I'm not sure I believe all the protestations
> of people who say they never, ever created one, but I believe some of them.
>   Has anyone else noticed this?    (I didn't help matters because I didn't
> read the technical note that's linked to on the web page, and so didn't
> warn our users about the problem discussed here.  I figured the note on the
> web page was adequate notification.   But it wasn't for those users who
> rarely touch webmail.)
>
> John Gorentz
> W.K. Kellogg Biological Station
>
> At 11:32 AM 8/20/2010, STeve Andre' wrote:
> >On Friday 20 August 2010 11:16:11 Leo Sell wrote:
> >> We are investigating further. At this point I can advise you all that
> >> there was no corruption of data during the migration and we are
> >> reviewing the data sources.
> >>
> >> ATS will issue further explanatory information when it becomes
> >> available.
> >
> >Um, Leo,
> >
> >it isn't corruption so much as a mess-up.
> >
> >I saw entries in my accept list that I did not add.  Others have seen
> > things in their block list.  At this point I think it is undeniable that
> > something bad happened.  Not horridly bad, but bad enough.
> >
> >ATS needs to make some kind of announcement now.
> >
> >It isn't like I've not done things like this, myself.  I once switched
> > several thousands of users to a new version of a shell, except my script
> > got the logic wrong: users who wern't using that shell got the upgrade,
> > and those that needed it, didn't get it....  (oops)
> >
> >--STeve Andre'



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STeve Andre'
Disease Control Warden
Dept. of Political Science
Michigan State University

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