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Since David mentions Samsung, I will chime in .... I've been very happy with the personal models of Samsung (current one is ML-2510). Sometimes you can find that for as little as $65. And I did buy one for home, but that was hard to refuse at $20 after rebate. I don't have experience with the higher end models that the original poster was asking about. I started with Samsung after the HP 1100 debacle. We purchased about 30 of those (including the scanner feature) for all faculty. Almost all of them stopped feeding paper after one year. They developed a "fix kit" for it, that added another few months of service. Finally they offered a credit of $10 (maybe $25) toward another HP product. I quit buying HP printers for several years. One issue with buying non-HP is the supplies. It is very convenient having Stores stock the popular HP toner parts. They seem resistant to stocking Samsung toner. -John On Dec 3, 2009, at 11:58 AM, David McFarlane wrote: > At 12/2/2009 10:50 AM Wednesday, Clifford Beckett wrote: > >> Is HP still the best out there? > > What do you mean, "still"? It has been years since we have > recommended HP products, not so much because of their hardware > (which still seems good enough) but because of the crapware that > gets installed with any HP stuff. I second Gary's response about > alternatives such as Dell. A couple years back I myself got stuck > with a little Brother HL-2040, but after I used it I liked it enough > to buy one for myself at home -- this little model does not meet > your requirements, but my experience would lead me to consider more > Brothers. I also regularly see Samsung printers rated pretty highly. > > -- dkm >