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I'm close to students' age (24) and went to a public schools growing up. At our school, we had to take a basic computers class like what you're describing in middle school and another one in high school. However, like most things-- if you don't use it, you lose it. Realistically, most students nowadays don't need to know how it all works in order to use computers for what they do. That is, except like what you said with buying a new one. But I'm sure many of us on this list have been asked by friends at times to help them buy a computer, help them install virus protection, help them set up a wireless router in their home, etc... Having tech savvy friends is enough for some people to be happy. But of course knowing more yourself about how computers work is no disadvantage. For many undergraduate programs at MSU, students are required to take CSE 101, which I believe is supposed to fill in a lot of the gaps (Perhaps the students you know haven't taken it?). Maybe somebody on this list knows more about that class. -----Original Message----- From: MSU Network Administrators Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Al Puzzuoli Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 8:37 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [MSUNAG] A Concerning Lack of Computer Literacy Among Students. I've noticed an interesting, somewhat concerning trend over the past few years. First, let me clarify that I have absolutely no reason to believe that what I'm about to describe is any more prevalent among MSU students than it is in the general population. It's just that since I primarily worked with students, MSU is where I've experienced this the most. Over the past decade, computers have become an increasingly ubiquitous part of our daily lives. This has happened primarily for two reasons: Due to the Internet, we have far more incentive than ever before to learn to use a computer. Also, the computer itself has become significantly easier to use. Things are much more automated, plug and play, point and click than they used to be fifteen or 20 years ago. Back then, there were fewer computer users on average; but, I believe that the percentage of users who had some idea of what was going on behind the scenes was much higher than it is today. In the late 80s when I was in high school, basic computer intro classes were offered. In those classes, many fundamental concepts were introduced: What is the difference between hard drive space and ram? What is the CPU? What does it do? ... I wonder if classes like that are still being taught today, or if the computer has become so ubiquitous that such fundamental concepts are now taken for granted? Due to what I'm seeing in my day to day work, I suspect the latter. I would estimate that at least 75% of the students I've worked with have not had any exposure to such concepts. They could download files all day and copy them to their thumb drive; but, if you were to ask them how much space is currently free on that thumb drive, they would be stumped. They don't know how to buy a computer. Well sure, they know how to whip out the credit card and pay for one, but they have no clue what to look for when making the purchase. If they did, these retail outlets would never be able to get away with selling Vista machines which limp along with 1 gig of ram, and are preloaded with tons of garbage to make matters even worse. They'll under buy the ram, and yet way over pay for hard drive space, because, well, it sounds like they're getting more for their money when they buy 500 gigs instead of 4. Are we as a university doing anything to combat this situation? Do we offer any basic 100 level intro classes which cover this stuff? What about a general computer users group? Does such a thing exist? If not, perhaps one solution might be to form such a group, where in we would offer presentations, and mentor any students who were interested in learning more. Thoughts?