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Thank you John for your call for civility. My suggestion would be to allow both of these individuals a second chance. Perhaps after seeing a number of responses they will recognize that we as a community will not accept the lack of respect they showed in their recent exchange and will choose to join us in further civil discourse. Larry Dutcher Farms wrote: > Hello All, > First off I want to say that I have grave reservations over HR875, > and I also disagree with some of the things Vicki said in regards to > the bill, especially after having read some of it, the language is > very broad,general and interpretation could be taken from different > angles in regards to who is doing the interpretation. There seems to > be many more regulations and bookeeping involved( seems the onus > always falls on the small producers!),and is very invasive. The > penalties are also quite extreme( possible jail time and one million > dollar fine for each offense and according to interpretation, a > million dollars a day for each day of non compliance), in the case of > the peanut debacle, if the federal and state regulators had been doing > their jobs, people would not have died or fallen ill. Paying off > inspectors seems to be the norm in much of the food industry these > days( I have seen it myself over the last thirty years), then you also > now have,in many large plants, the "inspector" being an actual > employee of the company, this has been going on now for a few years, > HAACP trained employees doing the actual inspection, no conflict of > interest,of course. There is a lot going on "out there" and has become > very hard to even keep up with the overload of information and fear > mongering over food safety, many folks seem to forget that "life" > itself is not "safe"! I have requested from my house rep.( Bart > Stupak) a copy of the bill(HR875) as introduced to committee,as I have > not been able to find the "whole" bill, no answer yet. The bill may > not be as bad as we think,as long as there are some clear exemptions > for direct farm to consumer sales. > Secondly, there seems to be some communication going on between > inividuals, instead of sending to the complete list-serve, please > folks send to "reply all", it makes it very difficult to know > everything said when you do not receive ALL the e-mails, if you only > hit the reply button,your reply will only be sent to the individual > that originally sent the message. Receiving bits and pieces is very > confusing!! > I see there was a request to have someone removed from the list > serve for not following the 'rules", from what I see, both individuals > were rude to each other. Personal attacks and profanity really have no > place here, this only causes a communication break down and does > not resolve anything, PLEASE folks, just agree to disagree. Freedom of > speech and expression is fundamental, but should remain "civil". This > type of behavior is one of the main reasons the organic movement in > this state has remained fragmented for so many years, I believe we all > have some level of interest in moving forward and not to remain > stagnated as has been. Michigan has been trying to play catch up now > for some time, especially in regards to the progressive movements in > the northeast and northwest portions of this country, I do not believe > any of us want to remain in the "dark ages". I really enjoy receiving > the information forwarded on this list-serve and would hope to > continue to do so, now more than ever, we need a united front. > Thank You All in > Advance, > John Dutcher > Dutcher Farm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* (Stan Silverman) <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > *To:* [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:10 PM > *Subject:* Fwd: More information sites - HR 875 > > > Request this individual be banned from this site as they seem to > not want to follow any "rules" of interchange > > Stan - Good Neighbor Farms > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Sent: 3/25/2009 4:55:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time > Subj: RE: More information sites - HR 875 > > obviously you are f*cked up republican > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:53 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: More information sites - HR 875 > > YOU! > > In a message dated 3/25/2009 4:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight > Time, [log in to unmask] writes: > > what is your problem? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or > less > <http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001>. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or > less > <http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001>. If > you would like to access a searchable archive of the all the > previous Mich-Organic listserv postings copy this URL and paste in > your browser address field > http://list.msu.edu/archives/mich-organic.html > > If you would like to access a searchable archive of the all the > previous Mich-Organic listserv postings copy this URL and paste in > your browser address field http://list.msu.edu/archives/mich-organic.html -- Larry Dyer, Ph.D. Michigan State University Extension Bay Mills Community College 12214 W. Lakeshore Dr. Brimley, MI 49715 906-248-3354 x 8456 906-248-8456 800-844-2622 [log in to unmask] If you would like to access previous postings to the Mich-Organic listserv you can copy and paste the following URL into your browser address bar http://list.msu.edu/archives/mich-organic.html