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Hi all,

You can find the entire text of the bill on Thomas.  
Go to: http://thomas.loc.gov/home/c111query.html
Then search by "Bill Number" and put "HR875" into the box.  
Hit Enter and it should come up.

Hope this helps you.

Sara

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:27:34 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: More information sites - HR 875
To: [log in to unmask]










Hello All,
    First off I want to say that I have grave 
reservations over HR875, and I also disagree with some of the things Vicki said 
in regards to the bill, especially after having read some of it, the language is 
very broad,general and interpretation could be taken from different angles in 
regards to who is doing the interpretation. There seems to be many more 
regulations and bookeeping involved( seems the onus always falls on the small 
producers!),and is very invasive. The penalties are also quite extreme( possible 
jail time and one million dollar fine for each offense and according to 
interpretation, a million dollars a day for each day of non compliance), in the 
case of the peanut debacle, if the federal and state regulators had been doing 
their jobs, people would not have died or fallen ill. Paying off inspectors 
seems to be the norm in much of the food industry these days( I have seen 
it myself over the last thirty years), then you also now have,in many large 
plants, the "inspector" being an actual employee of the company, this 
has been going on now for a few years, HAACP trained employees doing the actual 
inspection, no conflict of interest,of course. There is a lot going on "out 
there" and has become very hard to even keep up with the overload of information 
and fear mongering over food safety, many folks seem to forget that "life" 
itself is not "safe"! I have requested from my house rep.( Bart Stupak) a copy 
of the bill(HR875) as introduced to committee,as I have not been able to find 
the "whole" bill, no answer yet. The bill may not be as bad as we think,as 
long as there are some clear exemptions for direct farm to consumer 
sales.
    Secondly, there seems to be some 
communication going on between inividuals, instead of sending to the complete 
list-serve, please folks send to "reply all", it makes it very difficult to know 
everything said when you do not receive ALL the e-mails, if you only hit the 
reply button,your reply will only be sent to the individual that 
originally sent the message. Receiving bits and pieces is very 
confusing!!
     I see there was a request to have 
someone removed from the list serve for not following the 'rules", from what I 
see, both individuals were rude to each other. Personal attacks and profanity 
really have no place here, this only causes a communication break down and does 
not resolve anything, PLEASE folks, just agree to disagree. Freedom of 
speech and expression is fundamental, but should remain "civil". This type of 
behavior is one of the main reasons the organic movement in this state has 
remained fragmented for so many years, I believe we all have some level of 
interest in moving forward and not to remain stagnated as has been. Michigan has 
been trying to play catch up now for some time, especially in regards to the 
progressive movements in the northeast and northwest portions of this country, I 
do not believe any of us want to remain in the "dark ages". I really enjoy 
receiving the information forwarded on this list-serve and would hope to 
continue to do so, now more than ever, we need a united front.
                                                  
Thank You All in Advance,
                                                         
John Dutcher
                                                        Dutcher 
Farm
 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  (Stan 
  Silverman) 
  To: [log in to unmask] 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:10 
  PM
  Subject: Fwd: More information sites - HR 
  875
  

   
  Request this individual be banned from this site as they seem to not 
  want to follow any "rules" of interchange
   
  Stan - Good Neighbor Farms 
  
  
    
    
    From: [log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: 3/25/2009 
    4:55:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: RE: More information sites - HR 
    875

     
    obviously you are 
    f*cked up republican

    
    
    From: [log in to unmask] 
    [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:53 
    PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: More 
    information sites - HR 875


    
    YOU!
     
    
    In a message dated 3/25/2009 4:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
    [log in to unmask] writes:
    what is your 
    problem?

    
    Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make 
    dinner for $10 or less. 

  
  Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner 
  for $10 or less.
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