hi cindy, 

thanks for your quick response . . . 

for the benefit of any others on the list who want to know, i have copied 
the entirety of ms. barnato's testimony immediately below my signature . . . 
she spoke on two separate occasions . . . 

while i very much appreciate your forwarding the transcript, i don't see it 
as answering my question . . . my quibble is the following . . . in her 
testimony, ms. barnato refers to "scientifically linked" . . . "research 
concludes" . . . "group has concluded" . . . "veterinarians agree" . . . 

none of these references provide the reader with evidence, or tell the 
reader where to find evidence, that the incidence or prevalence of 
salmonella is higher on large scale poultry farms than on small scale 
poultry farms . . . that was the claim in the earlier email, and that was 
the point of my question . . . 

nevertheless, thanks again . . . 



craig k harris
department of sociology
michigan agricultural experiment station
national food safety and toxicology center
institute for food and agricultural standards
food safety policy center
michigan state university 

MS. BARNATO: Hello. My name is Terri Barnato. I'm with the Association of 
Veterinarians for Animal Rights. We're a national organization of 
veterinarians, veterinary students, and technicians. 

I think that you've consistently overlooked the husbandry practices that are 
used in the egg-laying industry, specifically forced molting, which is 
scientifically linked to the increase in production of Salmonella 
enteritidis in egg-laying birds. For those in the audience who don't know 
what this practice is, it involves withholding all food from birds used in 
egg-laying production for an average of one to two weeks, typically ten to 
fourteen days, to manipulate egg production so that the egg-producing 
industry can benefit economically. 

The USDA's own research concludes that this practice is a contributing 
factor to Salmonella enteritidis increase in egg production. Also, that the 
Farm Animal Wellbeing task force group has concluded that human illness 
would be reduced by 2.1 percent if forced molting were eliminated. 

It's an extremely cruel practice. It can't be allowed in this country. It's 
been outlawed in Europe, the United Kingdom. They don't do it in Canada. And 
the egg industry should be ashamed of allowing it to continue here in this 
country, and it's been occurring for over 30 years. 

Terri Barnato, with the Association of Veterinarians for Animal Rights. 

I have petitions in my office signed by 2,000 veterinarians from around the 
country that we've recently gotten, in the last two months. These 
veterinarians agree with us that withholding food from these birds for an 
extended period of time during the forced molting process is inappropriate, 
especially when it isn't medically indicated for the birds. 

They also agree with us that withholding food creates stress and 
immunosuppression in these birds, and that they are lacking in nutrition, 
and that this is a significant factor in the creation of Salmonella 
enteritidis in these birds. 

And your suggestion for more research in this area just appears to me to be 
foot-dragging. You know, there has to be some consideration here for the 
wellbeing of these animals, and to date we -- we've submitted a petition to 
the USDA and the Food and Drug Administration more than two years ago on 
this issue. You've received hundreds of comments from the public, not people 
who have a vested interest in egg production, who want you to consider the 
wellbeing of these animals. And your silence is deafening. 

We have a bill pending here in California to address this matter. You will 
see legislation in other states if the federal agencies don't want to deal 
with this, and the egg production industry, you can be assured of negative 
publicity that you deserve. 


From: Michigan organic growers seeking and offering information and ideas 
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dutcher Farms
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:44 AM
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Subject: FDA/USDA: Transcript of EGG SAFETY PUBLIC MEETING - April 6, 2000, 
Sacramento, CA 

Hi Craig,
  This is a long read, but if you go down to the testimony of Ms Terri 
Barnato, that is where the discussion of salmonella infection caused by the 
forced moult in industrial eggs begins. I am sure there is much more out 
there in regards to being sure hens are fed well and allowed access to 
sunshine (important for a source of vitamin D), a diverse omnivores diet, 
and the earth. Also, if you can take the time to read the whole thing, you 
will also gain a new understanding of the pressures put on our regulators by 
the "industry" to eliminate the exemption allowed for small producers(less 
than 3000 laying hens) selling eggs of their own production directly to the 
end user.
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