hi cindy, thanks for your quick response . . . for the benefit of any others on the list who want to know, i have copied the entirety of ms. barnato's testimony immediately below my signature . . . she spoke on two separate occasions . . . while i very much appreciate your forwarding the transcript, i don't see it as answering my question . . . my quibble is the following . . . in her testimony, ms. barnato refers to "scientifically linked" . . . "research concludes" . . . "group has concluded" . . . "veterinarians agree" . . . none of these references provide the reader with evidence, or tell the reader where to find evidence, that the incidence or prevalence of salmonella is higher on large scale poultry farms than on small scale poultry farms . . . that was the claim in the earlier email, and that was the point of my question . . . nevertheless, thanks again . . . cheers, craig craig k harris department of sociology michigan agricultural experiment station national food safety and toxicology center institute for food and agricultural standards food safety policy center michigan state university http://www.msu.edu/~harrisc/ MS. BARNATO: Hello. My name is Terri Barnato. I'm with the Association of Veterinarians for Animal Rights. We're a national organization of veterinarians, veterinary students, and technicians. I think that you've consistently overlooked the husbandry practices that are used in the egg-laying industry, specifically forced molting, which is scientifically linked to the increase in production of Salmonella enteritidis in egg-laying birds. For those in the audience who don't know what this practice is, it involves withholding all food from birds used in egg-laying production for an average of one to two weeks, typically ten to fourteen days, to manipulate egg production so that the egg-producing industry can benefit economically. The USDA's own research concludes that this practice is a contributing factor to Salmonella enteritidis increase in egg production. Also, that the Farm Animal Wellbeing task force group has concluded that human illness would be reduced by 2.1 percent if forced molting were eliminated. It's an extremely cruel practice. It can't be allowed in this country. It's been outlawed in Europe, the United Kingdom. They don't do it in Canada. And the egg industry should be ashamed of allowing it to continue here in this country, and it's been occurring for over 30 years. Terri Barnato, with the Association of Veterinarians for Animal Rights. I have petitions in my office signed by 2,000 veterinarians from around the country that we've recently gotten, in the last two months. These veterinarians agree with us that withholding food from these birds for an extended period of time during the forced molting process is inappropriate, especially when it isn't medically indicated for the birds. They also agree with us that withholding food creates stress and immunosuppression in these birds, and that they are lacking in nutrition, and that this is a significant factor in the creation of Salmonella enteritidis in these birds. And your suggestion for more research in this area just appears to me to be foot-dragging. You know, there has to be some consideration here for the wellbeing of these animals, and to date we -- we've submitted a petition to the USDA and the Food and Drug Administration more than two years ago on this issue. You've received hundreds of comments from the public, not people who have a vested interest in egg production, who want you to consider the wellbeing of these animals. And your silence is deafening. We have a bill pending here in California to address this matter. You will see legislation in other states if the federal agencies don't want to deal with this, and the egg production industry, you can be assured of negative publicity that you deserve. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: Michigan organic growers seeking and offering information and ideas [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dutcher Farms Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:44 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: FDA/USDA: Transcript of EGG SAFETY PUBLIC MEETING - April 6, 2000, Sacramento, CA Hi Craig, This is a long read, but if you go down to the testimony of Ms Terri Barnato, that is where the discussion of salmonella infection caused by the forced moult in industrial eggs begins. I am sure there is much more out there in regards to being sure hens are fed well and allowed access to sunshine (important for a source of vitamin D), a diverse omnivores diet, and the earth. Also, if you can take the time to read the whole thing, you will also gain a new understanding of the pressures put on our regulators by the "industry" to eliminate the exemption allowed for small producers(less than 3000 laying hens) selling eggs of their own production directly to the end user. Cindy Dutcher http://www.foodsafety.gov/~dms/egg0400.html If you would like to access a searchable archive of the all the previous Mich-Organic listserv postings copy this URL and paste in your browser address field http://list.msu.edu/archives/mich-organic.html If you would like to access a searchable archive of the all the previous Mich-Organic listserv postings copy this URL and paste in your browser address field http://list.msu.edu/archives/mich-organic.html If you would like to access previous postings to the Mich-Organic listserv you can copy and paste the following URL into your browser address bar http://list.msu.edu/archives/mich-organic.html