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As Leo had emailed earlier, [log in to unmask] is no longer active. Here is the response I got from [log in to unmask] regarding an electronic APA discussion forum: ================== Esther: Thank you for contacting me regarding this concern. At this time, the APA Business ListServ is not a thread that can be posted to by members. This issue was most recently brought to the Executive Board during the July meeting and the eBoard elected to take no action. Furthermore, there is not currently an open ListServ for APA members to post. However, please know that this question is at the attention of the APA eBoard and we have been working to identify the most effective way to address and handle this request. If a new ListServ or open forum blog is published for APA members, the membership will be notified. I thank you again for taking the time to respond. Please know that I will pass along your comments and concerns to the entire eBoard. Please let me know if you have any further comments, questions, or concerns at this time. /Maury Maurice Koffman MSU APA President/Chairperson 1480 Kendale Blvd., Suite 300 East Lansing, MI 48823 517.353.4898 [log in to unmask] ================== Maybe an APA forum could be created on forums.msu.edu??? And move this discussion off of the NAG. -----Original Message----- From: MSU Network Administrators Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gene Willacker Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:55 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [MSUNAG] APA Complaints I had some involvement serving as an area rep with the APA in the early 1990's. Things have not changed much. People are unhappy with the amount of dues, they are unhappy with the MEA affiliation, they are unhappy with the APA leadership. What hasn't changed is the fact that too few members are willing to invest any time in improving or changing things they are unhappy with. There was a lot of "water-cooler" grousing going on back then, but nothing changes at the water-cooler. Likewise, I wonder if anything can change at this modern water-cooler: the MSUNAG list. I believe that the APA has a listserve as well, which might be a more appropriate location for extended discussions on this (non-technology) topic. Or the anti-MEA web site, although I'm not sure if it has discussion forums. My apologies if this repeats comments made by others. I have not been able to do more than spot-check this thread here. From my experience, people must bring their issues and their willingness to commit time to work toward change to the APA itself before change will happen. -- Gene Willacker, Security Administrator, H&FS Information Services Michigan State University 100 University Housing Building East Lansing, MI 48824-1231 /517-353-1694/