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And how many of those unions are associated with the MEA? I would not have an issue paying 2 hours per month if it did not support the MEA cause which is K-12 Education. If that 2 hours per month went to us, the APA maybe we could do something beneficial for our membership instead of just handing it over to the MEA. I mean look... the APA offices are even at the MEA headquarters...they have us so much in their clutches its not even funny. Back to the point... anyone know how many or which of those unions are affiliated with the MEA? Ehren J. Benson, MCSE Windows Systems Administrator [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> 517-884-5469 From: MSU Network Administrators Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Michael Loomis Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:32 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [MSUNAG] APA raise So, if 100% of our dues goes to MEA/NEA, then all you need is to how MEA/NEA spends the money. http://www.mea.org/finance/pdf/2006-07duesbreakdown.pdf (I know it's old, but probably has not changed much.) http://www.mea.org/finance/dues_determination.html I've only been doing this union stuff for a year, but by being active and listening I've found out that the above information is all they have. Imagine if MEA had to break down their expenditures to report how much they helped each local like MSU APA, although it seems that the MSU specific portion is what most of you are asking for. Inconceivable, but still troubling. Here's the start of your chart, collected from HR and NAG posts: Clerical Technical (CTU) 2hr/mo Administrative Prof Assn (APA) $60/mo Admin Prof Supervisory Assn (APSA) $15/mo Service Maintenance AFSCME (1585) 2hr/mo Skilled Trades AFSCME (999) 2hr/mo Confidential (CONF) Nurses (NURS) Police Officers (FOP) 2hr/mo Police Sergeant (FOP) 2hr/mo Operating Engineers IUOE (547) $56/mo Residence Life (RES) Theater/Stage IATSE (274) BTW, if our dues were a percentage of our salary, the MEA would have incentive to bargain for as much increase in salary as possible (at the cost of other benefits?). Matt beat me to, The "Business of the APA Union" (APA-MEA) mailing list (announcement only)". Michael Loomis Network Security, ATS -----Original Message----- From: MSU Network Administrators Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robert Kriegel Good morning This is a very narrow list that, in general, will not get the answers you are looking for on APA union issues. I suggest you direct further posts on the matter to the APA listserve at [log in to unmask] where your concerns will be heard by the appropriate folks and hopefully addressed. Bob From: MSU Network Administrators Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kwiatkowski, Nicholas ... It also became apparent that 100% of our dues go to the MEA/NEA, which then provides services back to us. We do not keep any money in our local. Any money that does end up in our accounts is due to accounting errors, or delayed charges. This one really caught me by surprise as I would have thought we would have set our selves up to set aside some money, just in case. When I compare how our union is doing to others in my department, the 999, 1585, APSA, CT, it just seems to me that the other unions are getting the exact same benefits that we are, but our costs are much higher. I don't believe (some please correct me on this one, as I didn't do the research), that any of the other groups are affiliated with the MEA/NEA. The closest group, cost wise that I'm aware of is the 999, but at the end of each year their union returns the un-used portion of their general fund to their members as cash (sometimes in the hundreds of dollars).