Thanks David, but I predicted this kind of response. Timoteo "Timo" Vasquez - AIS Departmental Systems and Services [log in to unmask] - 353.4420 Ext.249 Michigan State University 2 Administration Building East Lansing, MI 48824-1046 -----Original Message----- From: MSU Network Administrators Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David McFarlane Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [MSUNAG] APA raise [Oops, almost did it again. Darned if I can remember to use "Reply All" every time, this is completely opposite to the behavior of every other mailing list I subscribe to, but oh well.] At 10/7/2008 02:37 PM Tuesday, Timo wrote: >what I have seen so far the only way to be active is to be a board >member of the union or a body member... pretty big gap of duties, >and position of influence. Where I come from, "active" includes just showing up as a rank and file member to meetings, and nothing stops any of us from that. To that end, let me remind everyone that we have a brown bag annual membership meeting in the Spartan rooms of the International Center on Tuesday, 14 Oct 2008. The rooms will open at 11:30a with the meeting agenda to commence at noon. I know all this, and I do not even hold an office in the union. What's stopping you? -- dkm