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Don, >I happen to know the answer for hard drives. Drives that the staff at >Surplus can't securely wipe - for whatever reason - go to a company that >shreds them. Just to satisfy my curiosity... What exactly, in concrete terms, does "shred" mean here? I have had trouble with that in the past, since that term has both figurative and literal senses. Thanks, -- dkm --- David McFarlane, Systems Designer Dept. Psychology, Michigan State University [log in to unmask] www.msu.edu/~mcfarla9 Voice: (517) 353-0799 Fax: (517) 353-1652