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No disrespect intended but IRC is where bots thrive, why would you trust
a business process or any sensitive communications in the same
environment?  Let alone use a work issued pc to operate in the world? 

I am very familiar with all the IRC realms and used all the chat
programs that were socially popular from Icq to Yahoo, and then
implemented a stand alone jabber.  The one venue that always gave my
work arenas a work out with the security systems was IRC.  I wasted a
lot of energy with staffing, and resources locking down equipment and
managing policies on workstations until I finally had it and realized if
I am allowing IRC software to run on clients, I was cutting my own
throat so to speak.  Will all the risk there is no good business case to
use IRC for productivity today.

Please don't be offended with my opinion on that service.




Timo Vasquez- D.S.S. Team Member

      Michigan State University

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-----Original Message-----
From: MSU Network Administrators Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of Brian Martinez
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 4:45 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [MSUNAG] Collaboration Option "D" - Other

Kwiatkowski, Nicholas writes: 

> (b)     Instant Messaging - This would be useful if we were ALL on a
> common platform.  I realize that IRC has been setup for some people in
> ACNS, but that is a form of active communication.  IM is a form of
> passive communication, where I don't have to be watching the screen to
> get a message.  This is akin to having a phone on the desk (which is
the
> most useful for me). 
> 
 

Nicholas, 

I just wanted to clear a few things regarding IRC as it is my little
"thing" 
for lack of something better to say. 

We have IRC setup for anyone on campus to use, it is not exclusive to
ACNS.  
Hence the reason we are always parading it around on NAG from time to
time.  
In fact, we've had a few stray joins from several members of the NAG 
community, and frankly I was happy to see that.  It has led to us
meeting at 
least one person, in real life, whom we only knew via name on this list.

Another person a few of my colleagues already knew from taking classes
with 
years ago. 

IRC can be and IS used for passive communication all the time by us.  In

exactly the same way an instant message is.  You simply send someone a
/msg 
"hey when you get back to your keyboard, let me know whats up..."  Which
is 
the same as double clicking someone's screen name in AIM/Jabber/etc. and

saying the same thing.  What I like about IRC better is how it brings
groups 
together.  I know you can do group type stuff in other IM environments,
but 
call me old school (I guess). 

I sort of see what you are getting at by saying its active, because
yeah, if 
you are sitting in a channel and there's lots of discussion going on,
you 
don't want to sort through lines and lines of people talking to see the
one 
line addressed to you.  But that's also why modern day IRC clients
(Pidgin, 
Xchat, MIRC, Chatzilla, whatever else) have a highlighting feature for
when 
you are addressed, and/or certain keywords are said.  And again, also
why 
the /msg nickname exists. 

Alright, I think I've said enough about IRC.  The long and the short of
it 
people is, USE IRC!!  (irc.acns.msu.edu)  Also, did I mention that SWAP
was 
dope?! 

./brm