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Troy, What I mentioned was PHPbb3 (version 3). This is an option that's on the same functional level of Vbulletin, however offers (I think) more features both for administrators, moderators and users. Of course the other benefit is it is open source. It also has built in LDAP and other directory connect ability. As I mentioned RC8 of it just came out December 1, so the full version should be available sometime late this month or in January. I would love to see a forum at least spring out of this that may be a bit more user friendly than an email list, and given the fact that something of its nature is fairly simple to get going that even if it's not the top rank could rank high in the ease of implementation. I too was surprised that there were so many "other" votes and not many "other" options brought forward when the floor was opened up. /Ehren Ehren J. Benson, MCSE Windows Systems Administrator [log in to unmask] 517-355-9200 x2569 From: MSU Network Administrators Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Troy Murray Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:07 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [MSUNAG] Collaboration Option "D" - Other This morning at the MSU IT Exchange we were shown three collaboration tools, vBulletin, SWAP and Angel. During the voting we were asked which one we'd choose, along with an option "D - Other". As I remember, there were a number of votes for "D - Other", but when it was opened up to suggestions there was only one, PHPvB I believe. This lead me to wonder why "D - Other" was voted so much; was it because what was seen in the three solutions wasn't liked, because it was felt there is a better solution but not sure what it is or felt there is a better solution but were hesitant to mention it during the session? Just curious what your thoughts were. -- Troy Murray Developer Michigan State University Biomedical Research and Informatics Center (BRIC) 100 Conrad Hall East Lansing, MI 48824 Phone: 517-432-4248 Fax: 517-353-9420 E-mail: [log in to unmask] Calendar HTML - http://www.icalx.com/html/troymurray72/month.php?cal=BRIC+Work iCalendar - http://www.icalx.com/public/troymurray72/BRIC%20Work.ics