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Tim, I agree with this sentiment. This discussion has been difficult to follow, and vBulletin would help that immediately. As far as I know, the only thing holding it back is netid authentication. On Dec 14, 2007, at 9:09 AM, Timothy Woods wrote: > Good points all, > > In conjunction with NAG, I think a collaboration tool such as > vBulletin > would be on of the better solutions to help take the load off of > MSUNAG for > continuing discussions and documenting solutions. Chat definitely > has some > advantages of getting an instant reply. Although using IRC might not > be the > most productive way to spend time, it seems that conversations often > get > sidetracked and end up taking much longer than looking for a > solution at a > forum. In addition the same questions might get repeated in a real > time > environment with no means to research the chat communications. > > As far as Angel it seems a bit awkward and limited to use for a > forum of > this type. Another possible concern with ANGEL could be its lifespan > on > campus. > > What ever is decided I agree with Timo that security should be at the > forefront of anything that is implemented. > > Timothy Woods > Information Technology Professional > Michigan State University > School of Social Work and Department of Anthropology > 254 Baker Hall, East Lansing, MI 48824 > 517-432-2195 > [log in to unmask] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MSU Network Administrators Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > Behalf Of Willson, Jim > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:23 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [MSUNAG] Collaboration Option "D" - Other > > I agree with Michael, having these messages pop up in my Inbox is very > convenient. If I have to go 'looking' for the NAG I probably will > forget. > > Jim Willson > Information Technology Services > The Eli Broad College of Business > Michigan State University > 517-432-2184 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MSU Network Administrators Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > Behalf Of Surato, Michael S. > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 7:59 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [MSUNAG] Collaboration Option "D" - Other > > This debate has come up before. There once was a discussion of moving > the NAG list from a listserv to Angel. On one hand we had a faction > that > wanted to move away from e-mail as that would free that resource. > However, there was a large group that wanted to maintain the "push" > technology of e-mail. The comprimise was to continue the listserv but > add a tag to the subject for easy filtering. > > I am very much against moving technical discussions away from a "push" > technology to any form of forum that I would have to remember to go > visit. What I like about IRC/Instant Message is that the lag from e- > mail > is removed, and a more lively discussion can take place. It is also a > push technology, and I do not have to visit a forum. Asyncronous > communication is also important, but for a different reason. But even > so, it should continue to be a "push" technology or people will become > too busy to visit the forum. > > +-------------------------------------------+ > | Michael Surato | > | College of Arts and Letters | > | Michigan State University | > | 320 Linton Hall | > | East Lansing, MI 48824 | > | Voice: (517) 353-0778 Fax: (517) 355-0159 | > +-------------------------------------------+ > > -----Original Message----- > From: MSU Network Administrators Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > Behalf Of Peter J Murray > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 1:19 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [MSUNAG] Collaboration Option "D" - Other > > To complicate things a bit. > > PHPbb3 is now gold and out. http://www.phpbb.com vBulletin 3.7 will be > adding several SWAP like features. > http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=249460 > Being added: thread tagging, user created groups, improved member > profile page, and more. > > As evidenced by the flurry of messages on NAG after the meeting, > despite > votes to the contrary, it seems that asynchronous communications are > important to the group, and a forum would be a great way to keep our > respective mailboxes clean, and still engage in lively discussions. As > someone else mentioned, it would do 80% of what we want. > > Peter Murray > James Madison > > Ehren Benson wrote: >> >> Troy, >> >> What I mentioned was PHPbb3 (version 3). This is an option that's on >> the same functional level of Vbulletin, however offers (I think) more >> features both for administrators, moderators and users. Of course the >> other benefit is it is open source. It also has built in LDAP and >> other directory connect ability. As I mentioned RC8 of it just came >> out December 1, so the full version should be available sometime late >> this month or in January. >> >> I would love to see a forum at least spring out of this that may be a >> bit more user friendly than an email list, and given the fact that >> something of its nature is fairly simple to get going that even if >> it's not the top rank could rank high in the ease of implementation. >> >> I too was surprised that there were so many "other" votes and not >> many > >> "other" options brought forward when the floor was opened up. >> >> /Ehren >> >> Ehren J. Benson, MCSE >> >> *Windows Systems Administrator* >> >> [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> >> 517-355-9200 x2569 >> >> *From:* MSU Network Administrators Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >> *On Behalf Of *Troy Murray >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:07 PM >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> *Subject:* [MSUNAG] Collaboration Option "D" - Other >> >> This morning at the MSU IT Exchange we were shown three collaboration >> tools, vBulletin, SWAP and Angel. During the voting we were asked >> which one we'd choose, along with an option "D - Other". As I >> remember, there were a number of votes for "D - Other", but when it >> was opened up to suggestions there was only one, PHPvB I believe. >> >> This lead me to wonder why "D - Other" was voted so much; was it >> because what was seen in the three solutions wasn't liked, because it >> was felt there is a better solution but not sure what it is or felt >> there is a better solution but were hesitant to mention it during the >> session? >> >> Just curious what your thoughts were. >> >> -- >> Troy Murray >> Developer >> Michigan State University >> Biomedical Research and Informatics Center (BRIC) 100 Conrad Hall >> East > >> Lansing, MI 48824 >> Phone: 517-432-4248 >> Fax: 517-353-9420 >> E-mail: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> Calendar HTML - >> http://www.icalx.com/html/troymurray72/month.php?cal=BRIC+Work >> iCalendar - http://www.icalx.com/public/troymurray72/BRIC%20Work.ics >> >