Well, I'd say Peter Murray gets the prize. He suggests that both are explainable -- some older wifi cards don't support WGA, and secondly, it appears that M$ reversed their decision to include IE7 on Windows Update, even as an Optional (isn't that crazy?), according to this discussion: http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/browse_thr ead/thread/c62e786804943b30/6339b03eca894cdf?hl=en&lnk=st&q=ie7+no+longe r+automatic#6339b03eca894cdf So I guess I was jumping to conclusions and making a big deal out of nothing, just like a "user"! Thanks to all. Brian Hoort