Name recognition (as in organic) is important for marketing. If we claim 
better nutrition or quality can we support the claim with brix readings, sap 
pH, or for grains, test weight as indicators supporting the claim?

One farm in the past (before UDSA organic) was eligible for organic 
certification but chose to not do the paperwork sold corn at 49 pound test 
weight. This pointed to very poor mineral content. The market standard is 56 
pounds per bushel and ocassionally I hear a report of  corn at 60 or 61 
pounds per bushel. Livestock fed the later corn will perform far better than 
on the 49 pound corn. Human health will be better on the later corn also.

Jay McCaman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vicki Morrone" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: FW: [SANET-MG] organic vs. local...

Hey folks
This is an interesting alternative to certified organic and probably
would do well at small markets and farmers markets, at this time. But
then a farmer could combine organic certification with the farmer pledge
that MOFFA is promoting and cover all the bases and be able to sell
foods labeled organic.

 Have you looked into Certified Naturally Grown? It's a great
alternative and self governing as it was in the old days of Organic. You
rely on other local farmers, customers or the County Extension to inpect
your farm.
 It's a non profit organization. They do ask for donations and they also
sell stickers with the CNG logo. You can download brochures online for
hand outs explaining the program. The website address is
 They have a questionaire to cover all aspects of Naturally Grown so
inspection is easy and informative to the consumer, too.
 I wonder if this program is catching on yet in California?

-----Original Message-----
>From: Douglas Hinds <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Mar 10, 2007 3:03 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [SANET-MG] organic vs. local...

 most left because of the State and USDA take over of the
>> word organic, we were the volunteers of America now we are forced
>> slaves to the USDA the certifier and the inspector and the state.
>> On years like this one with the freeze they make their money even
>> when I loose money. hehe . My customers that I had for years
>> forced me to be certified after the USDA takeover if I wanted to
>> keep selling to them so if I want to tell my customer I'm organic
>> I have to pay the organic police.

>We knew this would happen, ahead of time, of course (and there
>weren't that many of us that knew what to expect).
>> I pay a organic tax because I don't use anything.
>You pay the penalty for the OFPA's having the wrong focus. (And third
>party certification became a big industry, with greater authority
>than the farmers themselves, thanks to OFPA).
>> I have to fill out reports and pay the USDA saying I don't use
>> anything while the USDA will not label GMOs, pesticides,
>> herbicides, fertilizers that kill life on the earth. Its all
>> backwards.

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