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There are spectrum analyzers on the market that might help.  A cheap
way to test things out would be to install Network Stumbler on a
laptop, observe the dB change when the 10 minute burst occurs, and
move the laptop around to locate the offending critter.

/rich

On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:26:19 -0400, Troy Murray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> To make the situation even stranger, I have wi-fi built-in on my new Dell
> Inspiron 600m laptop (Centrino) and I use wireless at home and here on
> campus, never drops.  If I take my system there it exhibits the same
> problem.  Crazy!
>
> -t
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MSU Network Administrators Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Troy Murray
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 10:18 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [MSUNAG] Laptops, Wi-Fi, Centrino, and Antennas
>
> I have a funny situation where my wife works.  They started out in one
> office building using Wi-Fi (Linksys AP and cards), but every ten minutes,
> on the dot, they lose their wireless connection for about 30 seconds, then
> it comes back.  Both computer systems were having the trouble and I, as well
> as Linksys, couldn't narrow down the situation.  I checked the AP but it
> wasn't rebooting every 10 minutes.  For a quick fix they just ran some CAT5
> to connect everyone.
>
> Then they moved to a completely new building and office.  They also
> installed a new access point, D-Link, and had a few systems with different
> wireless cards now (Intel, Broadcom, Dell).  Believe it or not, the exact
> same problem happens there, every ten minutes, on the dot, they lose
> wireless connectivity for about 30 - 45 seconds before it comes back on.  I
> checked the access point and it's not rebooting or failing, very strange.
> They don't run cordless phones in the office.  They do have a microwave,
> which we unplugged one day to see if it would correct the problem, which it
> didn't.
>
> I would think it's something in the office, since the exact same problem
> happened at both locations with different equipment.  I would have a harder
> time thinking that any of the other offices would have some equipment
> causing this problem, since those offices aren't the same ones for the old
> building they were in.
>
> Very strange.  Any one have any ideas?
>
> -t
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MSU Network Administrators Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Amy Fekete
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 8:29 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [MSUNAG] Laptops, Wi-Fi, Centrino, and Antennas
>
> What would you recommend for others with the same wi-fi problem that isn't
> caused by a panasonic phone? In the evening I lose signal all the time.
>
> Amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MSU Network Administrators Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf
> Of Richard Wiggins
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 11:12 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [MSUNAG] Laptops, Wi-Fi, Centrino, and Antennas
>
> Yes, but the ham radio operator down the street managed to intrude on our
> 900 megahertz conversations constantly, which is what moved us to 2.4G for
> cordless phones long before we attempted Wi-Fi.  When I looked up the FCC
> rules of engagement, hoping to hamstring the ham, everything I read implied
> it was the phone's fault, not the ham's.
>
> I also read that leakage from cable modems can interfere with ham
> operations, so my secret wish was that I was inflicting megahertz on him as
> well.
>
> Anyhow, given that a laptop with built-in wireless seems to survive
> Panasonic's excessively-spread spectrum -- and also 'waving the popcorn --
> life is now good.
>
> For us, anyhow.  I wonder if that Panasonic phone knocks out the neighbor's
> Wi-Fi?  Ahh, life in the 21st century RF neighborhood.
>
> /rich
>
> On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:46:36 -0400 (EDT), Doug Nelson
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > This is one of the reasons I have stuck with a 900 MHz cordless phone,
> > rather than a 2.4 GHz.
> >
> > Next stop, 802.11a?  The range may be somewhat less, but you will have
> > more channels and less competition, at least for a while.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> >
> > Doug Nelson, Network Manager             |  [log in to unmask]
> > Academic Computing and Network Services  |  Ph: (517) 353-2980
> > Michigan State University                |  http://www.msu.edu/~nelson/
> >
> >
>