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When MSU negotiated the contract with Symantec our department made the move TO NAV CE. Prior to that we had been using McAfee. The entire McAfee experience was a nightmare. Where McAfee had been a nightmare, NAV has been a world of dreams (good ones). I would pay 2-3 times as much (per license or whatever) to continue using NAV CE. If anyone is further interested in the list of issues I had w/ McAfee e-mail me individually, but to list them all here would waste a page. To students McAfee is currently being offered for $10 for 2 years and I have been unable to find any links to any Symantec deal being offered. So I assume that you are correct that MSU has negotiated a contract with McAfee and discontinued the one with Symantec. However, at MSU Computer Store Site NAV volume licenses (not site licenses) are still listed @ $19/comp for 25-100 or $17/comp for 100+. This is still a big jump from $3/comp of last year but it is below the $37.80/comp and $34.40/comp prices listed at Symantec's site. So it seems it is still available through the computer store for a lesser price; unless the page is outdated. As usual, this is just my humble opinion. I replied "To All" so maybe I can hear some other people's experiences. Feel free to cc me on any replies to John. ======================= Joseph M. Deming Parks, Recreation and Tourism 151 Natural Resources Michigan State University 517-353-0793 x123 ======================= -----Original Message----- From: MSU Network Administrators Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Gorentz Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 4:18 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: what anti-virus software? Has there been a move away from Symantec NAV Corporate on departmentally-managed systems? I'm running Symantec System Center for about 30 licensed computers and was planning to make the server available for more, but see that it's no longer possible to get NAV Corporate through the computer store. The price of buying it directly from Symantec is pretty high now, as is the cost of license upgrades. Joe Budzyn's site says MSU has negotiated a contract for McAfee; however, the links to information about it on his site are broken and the computer store doesn't have any information about it, either. We recently bought a license for NAV for our mail server (allowing users the choice of opting in or else going somewhere else for mail service) but I don't see any particular reason for desktop computers to use NAV just because the mail server does. The ability to see from a console what sort of viruses have been caught on other computers is handy, but it's not crucial. So maybe it's time to think about using something else. Any thoughts? I'm not so much asking what anti-virus software is best as whether there is a product that makes department-level management easy. There are about 30 desktop computers in a locked-down configuration that I manage fairly tightly. The rest of the computers down here are the usual university-type chaos, where people do with them what they feel like doing. (On my home computer I don't run ANY antivirus software and have never gotten infected. I probably have some sort of personality disorder that accounts for my complete lack of curiosity as to what's in all those .exe files and other attachments. I've been able to transmit that disorder to other family members, but not to the folks at work.) John Gorentz W.K. Kellogg Biological Station