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MSUNAG October 2007

Subject:

Re: University-wide messaging and calendar system

From:

Tom Davis <[log in to unmask]>

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Tom Davis <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:10:07 -0400

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To the extent that MSU's IT needs are for commodity services, it 
makes sense to standardize and support things centrally (for 
efficiency's sake).  However, given that the university is in the 
business of discovery and innovation, the IT needs across campus are 
oftentimes specialized and best supported with local staff.  As 
Laurence and Scott suggest, the trick is to find the right balance 
between the two...

One of the primary reasons we decided to start hosting bi-monthly MSU 
IT Exchange meetings was to help create an environment where we learn 
from each other and become a more collaborative community - in order 
to best support the diverse needs of the university.

At 10/16/2007 11:29 AM, Laurence Bates wrote:
>Thank you Scott.  Actually, becoming "more mature" is something that 
>I have been aiming at since I left high school and, by all accounts, 
>I still have a way to go  ;-)
>
>I actually applaud what ACNS does and recognize that some things are 
>best done centrally, but others are best done at the faculty 
>desk.  Support staff at every level have a valid role to play as we 
>all strive to find a balance between efficiency and creativity.
>
>
>----------
>From: Scott Smith [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:46 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [MSUNAG] University-wide messaging and calendar system
>
>I'm not Laurence, but I've been here 18 years and the reason I was 
>brought in was because the "Centralized Model" wasn't able to keep 
>up with the innovations and the pace of change as they related to 
>computing that were happening in those days (late 80's, early 
>90's).  They couldn't or wouldn't support us, so we went out on our 
>own, for applications development, office productivity, and 
>networking.  I remember transitioning people from the IBM 5520 word 
>processing system (and what a beast that thing was!) to WordPerfect 
>DOS, and how amazed they were at what they could do with 
>WordPerfect.  But the 5520 was the "Central" word processing option, 
>or you could buy a fancy IBM Selectric typewriter with a correction 
>ribbon.  And they were installing PS/2 Model 30's with 4Mb Token 
>Ring as their preferred PC networking system.  At least they 
>recommended Netware as their LAN server software back then!
>
>Many of the problems we had then are still going to be issues now, 
>specifically (as Tony Cooke mentioned) man-hours.  I don't see AIS 
>or ACNS hiring gobs of new techies, nor do I see many of us 
>"independent minded" folk from the hinterlands of campus wanting to 
>go work for AIS or ACNS. (There would be no place to park!)
>
>Frankly (and I'm afraid this will offend some of the "Central" 
>people) the level of support we see now from the Central folks 
>indicates that if they got *more* responsibilities and *more* people 
>to support, they would be crushed under the weight of it all.  The 
>wait for support would look like the wait for health care in Canada 
>or England.  "Herniated disk?  We can get you in for an MRI in six 
>months.  If you need surgery, you'll have that four months after we 
>get the MRI results back".  "You have 100 users that can't log 
>in?  Well, there are 73 service requests in line ahead of you"...you 
>get the picture.
>
>-Scott
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:[log in to unmask]>Troy Murray
>To: <mailto:[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask]
>Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:57 PM
>Subject: Re: [MSUNAG] University-wide messaging and calendar system
>
>
>Laurence,
>
>Not to make anyone feel "more mature" then they already are, but I 
>wasn't around then.  What was the reason for the break from that 
>type of management (not to say it was or is right)?
>
>--
>Troy Murray
>Informatics Specialist
>Michigan State University
>Biomedical Research & Informatics Center (BRIC)
>100 Conrad Hall
>East Lansing, MI 48824
>Phone: 517-432-4248
>Fax: 517-353-9420
>E-mail: [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
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