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Subject: EMAILFUTURE
From: Scott Foreman <[log in to unmask]>
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Date:Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:13:35 -0500
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I heard that the Evolution Client (Open Source) supports CalDav 
 
Scott  
 
 
 
Ray, 
  
Good morning.  I am well aware of which version of "web client" that you are using as I was the person who installed it on the server.  The "web client" is not the same as the GroupWise client. 
  
As I understand it, GroupWise 8 supports the features you are talking about.  You should see these features on your desktop by the end of the year, if not before. 
  
>  am merely trying to point out that it isn't all wine and  roses. 
  
What solution is?  It is a matter of looking at what is available, reviewing all of the features each solution possesses, and choosing the best at the time. 
  
...John 
 
>>> Ray Hernandez <[log in to unmask]> 2/28/2008 7:11 AM >>> 
John, 
 
In all fairness, I don't think you read my email fully. I _am_ using   
the GW 7 web client. That is the latest client available to me, and   
as far as I can tell the latest version your dept has rolled out.   
While iCal support is nice, it is not CalDav. From my perspective,   
iCal is a file format spec and CalDav is a server protocol. GW does   
not seem to support CalDav, until maybe version 8 or 9. 
 
This is where I am locked into using the GW client. I can't use any   
other client to alter/view my GW calendar. I can use the GW web   
client to do so, but I prefer using something else. The argument that   
it is going to have X feature "in the next version" doesn't really   
help me today. If every user on campus started holding their breath   
for things to be fixed/added in the next version of any software,   
we'd start having a lot of people passing out at their desks. 
 
I'm not trying to knock GW at all, I think it is a great piece of   
software. I am merely trying to point out that it isn't all wine and   
roses. 
--Ray 
 
On Feb 27, 2008, at 5:31 PM, John Evans wrote: 
 
> Ray, 
> 
> Your assessment is not entirely fair.  The older version of the   
> client that you are using had very limited support for iCal.  The   
> version of GroupWise that we have on our servers (and the client on   
> our department's desktop) provides full iCal support.    
> Additionally, in the near future, you will be able to publish and   
> subscribe calendars (including your own personal calendars) along   
> with free/busy information. 
> 
> And NO, you are NOT "locked" into using the GroupWise client in   
> order to use your GroupWise account.  Other clients will work just   
> fine.  Our department supports only the use of the GroupWise client   
> because of support issues; that doesn't mean that other clients   
> will not work with GroupWise. 
> 
> For years, Novell has been providing products that adhere to open   
> standards and operate on multiple platforms.  For instance, Novell   
> GroupWise can operate on Linux and Windows servers as well as   
> NetWare servers.  How many other email solutions do?  Novell   
> products should at least be considered when investigating solutions   
> no matter what environment(s) you manage. 
> 
> ...John 
> 
> (Scott - our Breslin server has been online for over 354 days and   
> the Kellogg server for a mere 218 days.) 
> 
> >>> Ray Hernandez <[log in to unmask]> 2/27/2008 4:02 PM >>> 
> As a Groupwise(GW) user, I think it is just OK. Groupwise doesn't 
> seem to support caldav. This is annoying to me because the biggest 
> thing I use GW for is email and calendaring. It locks me into using 
> the GW client. 
> 
> While the GW web client is, to me, preferable to using the desktop 
> client. I find it lacking in customization. If we are serious about 
> adhering to open standards, as I think we should, I don't see that GW 
> offers us much more than Outlook/Exchange. 
> 
> I don't think GW is a bad piece of software, but it could be better. 
> --Ray 
> 
> On Feb 27, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Scott Foreman wrote: 
> 
> > I missed this post ... I couldn't agree with Don more, GroupWise 
> > has been the most stable, scalable email platform I could ever want 
> > to administer. Run on SLES or OES2 makes it all the better. One of 
> > our Novell servers has been up for over 200 days, the last time we 
> > patched and rebooted was for the daylight savings update in October 
> > or November. I also heard at a conference that if you pay for SLES 
> > maintenance through Novell that you could install and run GroupWise 
> > for free but this probably works differently since we have a site 
> > license. The GroupWise 7.x web interface is very robust and easy to 
> > use, also includes calendaring. 
> > 
> 
 
 

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